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| Posted by lvedin at Jan 15, 2012, 11:34:38 PM |
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Change center-position in 3D aerial mode I would like to see a way to change the x-y-z-position of center point in the 3D aerial mode. I found the 3D aerial mode easy to view around. In my previous post I did aim the 3D aerial mode mouse movement. As well the central-position in 3D aerial mode would be grate to move due to work on details in a big entire environment. Thanks for the great program and for listening  |
| Posted by Puybaret at Jan 16, 2012, 12:09:11 AM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode I found the 3D aerial mode easy to view around. The key point is here, making it more complex would make it less easy to use. So (once again), I won't change it. Use Virtual visit mode instead.---------------------------------------- Emmanuel Puybaret, Sweet Home 3D creator |
| Posted by Puybaret at Jan 16, 2012, 9:29:35 AM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode I just added the new FAQ Is it possible to manually set the rotation center of the 3D view in Aerial view mode? In the hope that this question won't come back so often in the forum... ---------------------------------------- Emmanuel Puybaret, Sweet Home 3D creator |
| Posted by pial at Jan 16, 2012, 3:58:44 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode I guess this issue will come back in the forum again and again, until you implement an option to choose the center position and a menu function to reset it to default position. As simple as that imo, but may be too difficult to implement ? Let us know. Thank you Emmanuel. ---------------------------------------- ---------------------- Pierre |
| Posted by baurat at Jan 24, 2012, 6:30:13 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode Pierre, I agree 100%. Although I understand Emmanuel's point of view, it is neither intuitive nor effective to have the center forced to be in the middle of the bounding box of all created objects. But I will not give up hope for this feature next to be implemented :) |
| Posted by pial at Jan 25, 2012, 12:23:24 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode Thank you baurat. I'm still waiting for Emmanuel's answer... I think that behind the debate of centering the scene or not, (which has a partial solution by adding objects on the edge), there is a bigger drawback that is the zoom limit. As you build an environment around your house, it becomes impossible to zoom in and turn around your kitchen for exemple. That is actually the biggest issue in my opinion. Let's keep hope for an answer at least ! ;-) ---------------------------------------- ---------------------- Pierre |
| Posted by Puybaret at Jan 25, 2012, 2:01:09 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode Sorry to insist guys, but don't hope any change to the Aerial view mode in the coming versions. ---------------------------------------- Emmanuel Puybaret, Sweet Home 3D creator |
| Posted by baurat at Jan 25, 2012, 7:57:21 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode I think that behind the debate of centering the scene or not, (which has a partial solution by adding objects on the edge), there is a bigger drawback that is the zoom limit. As you build an environment around your house, it becomes impossible to zoom in and turn around your kitchen for exemple. That is actually the biggest issue in my opinion. I am kind of "happy" to see that someone has exactly the same problems and thoughts about this issue. ... don't hope any change to the Aerial view mode in the coming versions Well, this makes me unhappy again... So for us, there's only the hope that maybe some day Emmanuel will change his mind. Until then, I will use SketchUp for 3D navigation and see what the house looks like from different views. |
| Posted by Puybaret at Jan 25, 2012, 8:18:28 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode Why not using an elevated point of view in Virtual visitor mode? ---------------------------------------- Emmanuel Puybaret, Sweet Home 3D creator |
| Posted by lvedin at Jan 25, 2012, 8:35:55 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode The virtual visitor mode might be a very fine option for certain purpose and for several users. Nevertheless I do have try the Virtual visitor mode during the evaluation and usage of this nice program , Virtual visitor mode is not an alternative for my purpose and usage since it take comparable too much time to rotate the object, or you can say to change the viewpoint around the object while keep the view-direction in middle of the object. I keep use the aerial mode even but the drawback that you can not zoom close. My work around for this is I limit object in my garden to be close to the house. I did really try the Virtual visitor mode and read help about the Virtual visitor mode and it is really great for visitor purpose, but not really when work with the objects to quickly view around from all angles. |
| Posted by hansmex at Jan 25, 2012, 9:00:10 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode Lennart, Have you tried the function 3D view --> Store point of view ? This allows you to set up a large number of "camera viewpoints" and store them in a list. You can then easily switch from one viewpoint to the next. Example: - make 4 viewpoints from a distance, say North, West, South, East from a high point of view - make the same viewpoints from a low point of view - make the same viewpoints as close-ups from the interior of your design - etc This could be far more flexible than changing your viewpoints with the Aerial View. Hans ---------------------------------------- Hans new website - under constuction hansdirkse.info |
| Posted by lvedin at Jan 26, 2012, 3:06:59 AM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode Yes I did have tried the Store point of view, and I considered it is useful and more flexible yes, but can not replace the aerial mode due to two reasons. 1. The way I view objects is not only as static pictures, it is the actual dynamic movement in aerial mode that give a deep 3D picture, i.e. small or large movements during viewing the object, same method birds use since they have only one eye each direction. 2. The Store point of view would require quite a lot picture to setup a hole house with garden, and even if more free to chose angle etc etc I have consider it should take too much time to setup, to handle and specific to be updated, compared that the aerial mode give better dynamic control, unlimited number of angles, and still is usable also as it is. |
| Posted by pial at Jan 26, 2012, 3:07:20 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode you can not zoom close. My work around for this is I limit object in my garden to be close to the house. Ivedin, I have exactly the same problem, and if we look in the forum it seems that many other people also have that problem. Sorry to insist guys, but don't hope any change to the Aerial view mode in the coming versions. Very short answer, don't you think ? Better than no anser at all anyway. Why do you refuse to consider that issue ? Why don't you give us any reason of a so rigid position ? As people post in this "wislist" topic, they're trying to contribute to the improvment of your software. Why don't you show a little bit more consideration for their efforts ? They are your open source !  No bad temper here. Just the free words of a big fan of your work. ---------------------------------------- ---------------------- Pierre |
| Posted by baurat at Feb 6, 2012, 6:22:50 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode Maybe pial, Ivedin and myself are the only ones that think this way? I agree 100% to your explanations (elevated virtual visitor is nice but definitely not as useful as aerial view is). No bad temper here. Just the free words of a big fan of your work. RIGHT! And why not making a good software even better...? ;) |
| Posted by hansmex at Feb 6, 2012, 6:26:33 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode No, you're not the only ones... ---------------------------------------- Hans new website - under constuction hansdirkse.info |
| Posted by pial at Feb 7, 2012, 6:37:27 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode Thanks for your testimony, hansmex ! I'm also pretty sure that many of us are concerned by the issue. Emmanuel, if there is no way to fix it, why not tell us ? I posted this message 2 weeks ago, and no news from you. I know your very busy, and I know you're the only one who decides what's worth considering or not. I'm ok with that, but.... Someone recently complained about arrogance in this forum and I have to say I didn't see why at first. But know, I see in your attitude a bit of contempt and it's regrettable. And, to be sincere, that's not the first time. Sorry. Looking forward to hearing from you ! ---------------------------------------- ---------------------- Pierre |
| Posted by Puybaret at Feb 7, 2012, 7:19:25 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode Someone recently complained about arrogance in this forum and I have to say I didn't see why at first. Please don't play that bad game with me. You should be ashamed of using the word arrogance here, in the current French political context. But know, I see in your attitude a bit of contempt and it's regrettable. And, to be sincere, that's not the first time.  Some time ago, some forum users didn't understand the ironic tone of some of my messages, and I stopped posting ironic messages since that time, even when I had to answer many times the same thing to the same question. By the way, you can't say I didn't listen to your requests in the past! But if you want me to answer a third time the same thing in the same thread, here it is: I'm just convinced that the aerial view mode is easy for beginners and I don't want to make it more complex by adding the ability to move the center of rotation. I could add an other 3D centered mode, but I feel it would just add confusion in a program targeted to a general audience. And yes, it can't be programmed in one hour if you want to add this feature correctly. ---------------------------------------- Emmanuel Puybaret, Sweet Home 3D creator |
| Posted by MiraSlunicko at Feb 8, 2012, 10:32:40 AM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode Would it be a big problem to enhance the Virtual visit the followning way ? - alowing to change (mainly widen) the focal distance of the camera - sometimes it is difficult to get far enough from an object to see enough part of the scene, specifically if you are an a narrow space - keep the stored points of view between sessions - in other words store them in the sh3d file - on a virtual visitor - better graphically diferentiate azimut / slant icons - instead of use circle with an arrow for the both - support a mouse wheel when the virtual visitor get focus - e.g. wheel=azimut change, wheel + right button = elevation - Display the true elevation of the virtual visitor above the floor of the virtual visitor - Allow to automatically change the virtual visitor elevation acording to the selected level (follow the level displayed) Thanks Mirek |
| Posted by pial at Feb 8, 2012, 4:11:21 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode Emmanuel, Yes you're right, sometimes you answer very quickly, but sometimes you just don't. That's a fact and I don't want to play any bad game with you. Peace ! (By the way, if you read me carefully, you'll see that I never used the word "arrogance".) Anyway, thank you very much to react this time. I'm just convinced that the aerial view mode is easy for beginners and I don't want to make it more complex by adding the ability to move the center of rotation. We agree 100%, aerial view is centered and it's ok as it is, but that's not the point. Most of us in this thread are complaining about zooming limit. Could you please tell us if that issue could be improved ? That would be a really great improvement. Thank you for your patience. And cheers again for sharing that great software ! We love you, really !  ---------------------------------------- ---------------------- Pierre |
| Posted by lvedin at Feb 9, 2012, 9:03:03 AM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode 1. If just reduce the zoom-limit, it would make the program much more useful even if not add moving center of rotating point. 2. The programmer's option is not only to modify the current aerial mode or add a new mode. Cause' Emmanuel has a good point to not confuse first time users. First time users may spend 3 minutes to evaluate a program, if any confusing he/she go to next available program. However preference page (or even Preference->Advanced) in menu is the option to open limitation in the current aerial mode, and leave the current default mode as it is. I see Sweet Home 3D has a lot of outstanding solutions for various design, while the preference page is tiny. As we see users preferences are different, and many time one may not understand other peoples reason to preferences, but thy exist. |
| Posted by pial at Feb 10, 2012, 4:15:31 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode You're right Ivedin. That's why so many users come up against that zoom limit : it is for sure the biggest drawback of the so useful aerial view mode. Can we hope an improvement (or an answer at least) on that particular point ? ---------------------------------------- ---------------------- Pierre |
| Posted by macfrog at Feb 12, 2012, 8:50:41 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode To add my tiny opinion here, i would be glad if there is a way to "straighten" the angles; e.g. to make to aerial view _exactly_ 90 degrees and not alittle bit kindof 89,221 or something else. i would like a "center" button, really. i need my walls mostly aligned to other pictures of a similar project. this is impossible, especialy at higher resolutions every "misplaced" walls are terrible. greetz macfrog |
| Posted by Sajmmon at Sep 5, 2012, 9:13:12 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode A partial solution to the 3D view limitations is to center the camera onto a mass center of selected objects. It is quite easy to implement. For those who are interested I give a link to a movie where such mechanism is implemented, have a look around 2:30 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I98AJZO7fJ0 The Wuteh 3d Studio tool from the movies is based on a modification license of SH3D. |
| Posted by speed777777 at Sep 26, 2012, 6:34:09 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode HELLO, just stumbled upon this, shall i call it a fiasco, people having a go at the developer of something that they get for NOTHING, my opinion is if this program which is FREE does not satisfy you, theres always LUMION for only 3 thousand pounds, i am willing to bet my life that it will satisfy all your needs. just my very tiny opinion. shaun |
| Posted by Puybaret at Sep 26, 2012, 8:42:35 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode Shaun, this is just a wishlist. And like any wish, discussing about it doesn't mean it will happen. Anyway the idea of Sajmmon seems interesting and there are some good chances that a new Aerial view centered on selection preference will appear in next version. ---------------------------------------- Emmanuel Puybaret, Sweet Home 3D creator |
| Posted by szymi at Apr 3, 2014, 5:49:59 PM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode Hello. My apologies for posting on an old thread, but I found a simple way of changing the center of 3D view. I know there is now an "official" way of doing it described in the FAQ section, but changing the center by selection gets a little anoying when you want to move furniture around and at the same time to see your changes in aerial mode. My way of changing the center is to create a large room around the home (catching some area around it as well). The room may be square or rectangular, depending on what results you want to get. Make sure the floor is not visible. The center of the room is the center of your aerial view. You can move the room around to move the center. The room can be placed on an extra level below level 1 so that it does not get in your way when moving furniture around. Hope this tip will be useful to someone. Szymon |
| Posted by okh at Apr 4, 2014, 12:07:02 AM |
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Re: Change center-position in 3D aerial mode A good workaround and a sensible point :-) (even with the implemented centre on selection)... ok |
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