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the source code is available in CVS
Thanks for the link.
blue sky that appeared during the night, I simply turned off Sun light
Good thinking!
can you increase the "Plan" zoom factor x10
I'm going to try.... What I want to try first is to zoom on mouse pointer location
Sounds like a great idea!
The current factor is smaller than in the plug-in but I tried it at 100% with a light located in very large rooms and felt the value I finally chose was largely enough.. Remind that Sweet Home 3D isn't designed to draw stadiums... [;)
Hmmm after doing some tests, still not bright enough at 100%. Actually it's funny that you make that second point, with you not knowing a feature I've already added to version 1.6.2!
It would be helpful to have a preference option, to not hide the cross-hairs too!
I want that users understand that this sphere is bound to selection only and won't be taken into account at print or with image creation at the 2 lowest quality level.
I've been giving this some further thought, all other 3D applications (that I can think of) don't hide the lights place holder, when the lights aren't selected?
Users would easily learn that your new light sphere or lights place holder doesn't render.
There has been no misunderstanding so far about that feature added to 1.6.1.
All I ask is for a preference option to let a user choose, so they can make their own decision.
3D Lights placeholder Hide unselected: Show unselected:
I don't mind if you want to make your bizarre idea the default option. (Couldn't resist a bit of harmless teasing, after you called my original (temporary!) light control method bizarre. )
No, the developer of SunFlow finally helped me to add support for transparency and transparent textures. By the way, again many thanks to him!
Fantastic news, maybe SunFlow does have a future after all!
stronger glass colour, maybe a bit too strong?
It's the contrary: their color was too clear before. If you compare to the OpenGL view the glasses you show, you'll see they are supposed to be really green.
I did and here are the results.
Knowing that there can be subtle differences between graphics cards and driver colour representations, I tried to do a tougher test as possible. As an extra note, my screen is colour calibrated and I'm using an Nvidia graphics card.
Added the render images again, to save users scrolling back and forth between posts.
OpenGL 3D
DirectX
VMware virtual computer drivers OpenGL 3D
VMware virtual computer drivers DirectX
1.6.1 & 1.6.2 render
3.0 beta 4 render
3.0 beta 7 render
Also took some real compare photos, trying to simulate the render: Only have 2 Hi Ball Tumbler glasses though.
To my eyes the original glass colour (as seen in 1.6.1 render) is the most accurate to real life so far, and fairly closely matches OpenGL 3D and DirectX previews. Obviously this will vary slightly for people viewing this thread on uncalibrated screens.
Other Ideas for 3.0 One request I made before was for, the ability to lock the size proportions on the furniture editing dialog box , this would greatly help when re-sizing items (like it is by default when importing an object) This doesn't have to be a wordy or complicated affair, I think something like The GIMP uses would be the easiest, and is also language independent.
Proportions locked
Proportions unlocked
While editing light bulbs size, the proportions should be automatically locked (and the proportions unlock option grayed out) So that users understand that the lights (no matter what size they enter in 1 field, because they are sphere lights) the lights always expand the same amount in all directions.
Thank you for your work on 3.0 and for implementing the matt and shiny wall options.
db4tech
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db4tech, Emmanuel,
I very much like the idea of a lock function for furniture size. The link icon would be perfect, as far as I'm concerned. You could add a tool tip when hovering over the icon to explain what it does.
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Puybaret, I hope I haven't asked for too much, but I do want to say that having the light frame disappear when not selected is very hard to work with sometimes. I do alot of my scenes with lights, and as you can tell by some of the renders I did, lights are very important to my designing. Sometimes I need to be able to line them up, and it is hard to do when they disappear. I was so happy when db4tech made the first light frames, because it made it so much easier to place the lights exactly the first time. Please consider making it a choice to have the light frames visible all the time?
I appreciate your work on this free software, and think it's a great program!
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Also, maybe a choice whether or not the sun is on? Now that transparent textures are fixed, and with more outside foliage, the sun casting such strong shadows at night time makes for some unrealistic renders. But I can understand the reasoning you gave for having the sun on..
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Emmanuel,
Just found out you released v3.0 b9 :-) You're incredibly productive with almost daily new releases and new features!!
So far I've discovered in beta 9: - Keep proportions - that changes all dimensions at the same time (very!! useful) - Part of base plan - that locks a model to the ground and makes it unchangeable when the floorplan is locked. Great too!!
Thank you!
Hans
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Hans, you're right, I just released the version 3.0 Beta 9 with new features that you requested. As the following capture shows, there's two new check boxes in the Furniture modification dialog:
- When the Keep proportions check box is selected, width, depth and height are updated proportionally. - A selected Part of base plan check box means that a piece of furniture will be considered as an item belonging to the base plan when locked and then won't be selectable (this new check box can't be unselected for doors and windows on purpose). This new option was discussed with Hans in this discussion. This new option has an other side effect on locked plans too. From this version, all doors, windows and not movable furniture is considered to be part of the base plan (before only doors and windows were taken into account). - I also improved color transparency rendering again for the 2 best qualities. Read my answer to db4tech below for more information.
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The current factor is smaller than in the plug-in but I tried it at 100% with a light located in very large rooms and felt the value I finally chose was largely enough.. Remind that Sweet Home 3D isn't designed to draw stadiums...
Hmmm after doing some tests, still not bright enough at 100%. Actually it's funny that you make that second point, with you not knowing a feature I've already added to version 1.6.2!
Unless, you really have a very convincing proposal that would make me change my mind, I don't think I'll change it again (and it would oblige every beta tester to reset again their light power settings).
There has been no misunderstanding so far about that feature added to 1.6.1.
The advanced rendering plug-in is used by... advanced users, who generally don't mind some more difficult concepts.
I've been giving this some further thought, all other 3D applications (that I can think of) don't hide the lights place holder, when the lights aren't selected?
The other 3D applications like AOI or Blender don't target the same kind of audience, and don't offer a printing function, so it's not that much comparable.
All I ask is for a preference option to let a user choose, so they can make their own decision.
I'm going to think about it.
[...] To my eyes the original glass colour (as seen in 1.6.1 render) is the most accurate to real life so far, and fairly closely matches OpenGL 3D and DirectX previews. Obviously this will vary slightly for people viewing this thread on uncalibrated screens.
I had to change the way the transparency color was computed because the formula didn't take into account the transparency factor (SunFlow "absorbtion.color" is ignored when "absorbtion.distance" is equal to 0!). I changed it again and I hope this time it will satisfy everybody. Here are image tests I computed:
Sweet Home 3D OpenGL rendering
Advanced Rendering Plug-in 1.6 rendering
Sweet Home 3D v3.0 Beta 7 rendering
Sweet Home 3D v3.0 Beta 9 rendering
A detail under Beta 9 rendering
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Also, maybe a choice whether or not the sun is on? Now that transparent textures are fixed, and with more outside foliage, the sun casting such strong shadows at night time makes for some unrealistic renders. But I can understand the reasoning you gave for having the sun on.
There's no sun light at night, so your problem must come from something else.
Finally, two questions: - Does Matte should be spelled "Matt" or "Matte" in English? - I really would like to add support for horizontal/vertical move of selected items + proportional resizing of the selected piece of furniture with the mouse. Most drawing software let the user perform this operation with the Shift key pressed, but in Sweet Home 3D the Shift key is reserved to temporarily toggle magnetism. At this time, as version 3.0 will be a major version change, I wouldn't mind to introduce a little incompatibility in the mouse behavior compared to previous versions. My idea is to change the toggle magnetism short cut from the Shift key to Ctrl+Shift keys (or alt+Shift under Mac OS X), and use the Shift key for horizontal/vertical move + proportional resizing, instead of keeping the current Shift key and use Ctrl+Shift keys for the new behaviors. What is your mind about this proposal (don't forget unadvanced users)?
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Emmanuel,
- 1 - "matt" = without brilliance "matte" = is a term from film making (wikipedia )
- 2 - I'm not sure I understand what you mean with this behaviour. But, as you said, v3.0 introduces some major changes, so one more shouldn't be too big a problem. Means just more questions on the forum :-)
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Puybaret, Thanks for your answer. And maybe what I am seeing is only a difference of tweaks made between the two renderers. I only have time to show a very small sample of what I see as sun shadows unfortunately, but maybe it will give you an idea of what I see. It is a subtle difference, and I might be making a mountain out of a mole hill, and I do apologize if I am.
This is 3.0 v8 This time is 9pm with the sun at 120 degrees
This is 3AM Sun at 240 degrees which is as far as I could get the source of light away from the scene
This is 2.6 with the Advanced Renderer
The files are as close to the same as I could get. And I do have to say I am very happy and pleased at the Sunflow ability now to handle transparent textures, and thank you for adding this into SH3D. Almost all my trees have them.
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change the toggle magnetism short cut from the Shift key to Ctrl+Shift keys (or alt+Shift under Mac OS X), and use the Shift key for horizontal/vertical move + proportional resizing,
I'm all for that! Sounds good to me. Yes, that's what other programs do and that is what I'm used to. :D
I have yet to test the latest beta. Been kinda busy lately. I am eager to check it out though!
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Good evening,
Google Translation
Matte or glossy option for walls is really interesting. Is it possible to integrate it on the furniture? The interest would be to choose a color or texture of the furniture in SH3D and have a look painted or not.
Another topic. Is it possible to lock the base plane, which prevents accidental mishandling while leaving the possibility of having access to the parameters of a wall or object, without needing to unlock?
Sorry about this translation Google
FR: L'option mat ou brillant pour les murs est vraiment intéressante. Est il possible d'intégrer cette option sur le mobilier? L'intérêt serait de pouvoir choisir une couleur ou une texture du meuble dans SH3D et d'avoir un aspect laqué ou non.
Autre sujet. Est il possible de pouvoir verrouiller le plan de base, qui empêche ainsi une mauvaise manipulation accidentel tout en laissant la possibilité d'avoir accès aux paramètres d'un mur ou d'un objet, sans avoir besoin de déverrouiller?
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Hi Emmanuel,
While testing some ideas, with the new transparency, I've just discovered an interesting bug with 3.0 beta 9.
It should be easy to recreate.
All I did was create a square building, added a floor/ceiling.
Next added a simple rectangle obj with (a 50% Alpha blend) your cloudy sky texture.
Turned off the ceiling light and added 1 light source behind the rectangle at the default 50% brightness.
First render, everything looks great!
Thought I'd take a look at the image on the wall/floor, so moved the point of view to the right.
It's then I discovered the bug.
As soon as the light source goes out of the frame, the centre of the image receives no photons to render.
It get progressively worse the further the light source goes out of the frame.
Tried it several times with different angles.
Then moved the view back to the centre and tried looking down. Here the centre fails to receive photons while the light is still in the edge of the frame.
Once the light goes out of the frame, (as before) it gets worse the further the light is out of the render frame.
It happens with both highest render settings and with yours or my lights.
By the way, thank you for adding the "Keep proportions" tick box! Did you decide not to lock proportions, while editing light bulbs?
I've not had chance to try the tweaked glass colours yet.
db4tech
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Update!
After some further tests I'm not so sure that it is the light source going out of the frame causing the problem. It seems more connected with the Alpha mapped objects angle of view to camera.
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Actually it's funny that you make that second point, with you not knowing a feature I've already added to version 1.6.2! 
(Couldn't resist a bit of harmless teasing, after you called my original (temporary!) light control method bizarre. 
