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Re: Dodecagon

The new model I am designing for this has a single handle. The same as the current lower slider but now on a single full height slider and most likely vertical. I'm still deciding on the width. Maybe I'll make two in different widths.

The problem with your proposal is that the higher sliders are physically impossible or at least need a very heavy rail system. A kitchen has some heavy stock like botlles, cans, glass vegetable jars, etc. Put that into one of these models and it will be too heavy for a normal drawer type rail. That is also a flaw the current model has.
The new model I am designing uses wheels at the bottom that support a heavily loaded slider-drawer. I am revising the lower model to the same type.

Examples of real slide outs:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/41/94/0b/41940b4ecf7b2b4ff08e0e30733f5b94.jpg
https://interiordesignparadise.com/wp-content...-kitchen-cabinets-1-1.jpg

Thank you thinking about model designs for this library. That's fun!
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The drawer runners I intend to use in the real product are rated at 45kg and by having the slider in two sections the load on the runners is halved or the carrying capacity is doubled.



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45kg, that's a lot for sliders and should be enough. I have seen images of other heavy duty rails that were a lot more massive (twice as high). That's the reason I wanted to use wheels instead.
I'll see if I split the high slider cabinet into two sliders. The upper slider will be a lot higher than the lower slider but heavy stuff is usually stored lower anyway so it should stay realistic. I does solve the problem I'm having with the center border so it's a very appealing solution.
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Manufacturers write everything, here you can see the installation recommendations for the retractable bottle holder 300. This is necessarily a diagonal arrangement of the guides. Otherwise, there will be screw deformations. For ready-made steel bottle holders with 2 shelves, this is a total maximum load of 20kg, 10kg per shelf. A jar of cucumbers of 2 liters weighs 2.8 kg, 5 cans are placed on the shelf, and this is already beyond the recommendations, you need to be careful. The chipboard box is also prone to twisting deformations. Manufacturers allow one-way mounting of guides only for narrow boxes, 150-200 maximum. With a load of up to 15 kg. I would recommend making a middle wall so that the guides can be attached to it. A large external door with internal drawers is a normal solution if you want to get a large design solution without small facades in the kitchen. Here you need to take into account the size of the door hinges so that the drawers slide past them. Manual


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That's a very useful manual. I haven't found one with such clear dimensions as a guide line until this one. The image shows almost exactly what my new design looks like, including the dimensions, amazing!
The rail design is especially useful for me because I was strugling with that.
Thank you!
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If you didn't know: there's a button in the toolbar for easy switching magnetism on and off.


I actually didn't know about the button in the toolbar, I keep going in the preference, so this will help a lot.

I downloaded the Door library, I was a bit overwhelmed by the quantity of model it had. It would have been nice if there were an option to get only the kind of model we want. Like I was only interested in the exterior on and would have loved to only get those.

I was also wondering if it were possible to delete one of your libraries once we installed in our Sweet Home program?
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I downloaded the Door library, I was a bit overwhelmed by the quantity of model it had. It would have been nice if there were an option to get only the kind of model we want. Like I was only interested in the exterior on and would have loved to only get those.
After you have added the door(s) of your choice to your project you can remove the library. The door(s) will remain in your project.

I was also wondering if it were possible to delete one of your libraries once we installed in our Sweet Home program?
You can remove libraries from the furniture directory in your Sweet Home 3D install directory.
The easy way is to open the About dialog under the Help menu. On the bottom click the button Libraries.
In the list with furniture libraries find the one you want to remove and click it. It should open the filemanager in that directory.
Simply delete the .sh3f file of the library you want to remove. After restart of Sweet Home 3D the library is gone from the catalog.


Did you try using keywords? In the preferences dialog you can set your catalog to a searchable list. This will display a searchbox at the top of the catalog where you can enter (partial) keywords.
You could have found your exterior doors easily: Select category Doors&Windows, in the search box enter "dodec exter", short for dodecagon and exterior. The list will filter to only Dodecagon doors with the keyword exterior, around 10 I think it is.
From the web page:
You can select the correct door for the thickness of your wall by using a keyword to filter: W10, W15, W20, or W30. The number is the wall thickness in cm. If you have your catalog set to a searchable list this makes it easy to filter all doors that match your wall thickness.

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I put one of each door in my project, but all had that odd square knob on the inside side of the door. I've never seen something like this... Maybe it's more common where you’re from. So I ended up not using any of the models.

I didn't try the keyword, since I easily found them by looking for the word exterior in my folder.

In my new project, I needed the dishwasher to be part of the Corner Cabinet. So with some tweaks I managed to do this:


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I put one of each door in my project, but all had that odd square knob on the inside side of the door. I've never seen something like this... Maybe it's more common where you’re from.
The square handle is the outside of the door and yes, that's common here. From the outside you unlock the door with a key and push the door inside or use the handle to pull the door closed when you go out. On the inside you have a normal handle to open the door without a key.
The square outside handle could just as easy be a round knob but here they usually don't turn to open a door. The same on the inside would turn to open.
Have you thought about making the square handle invisible and add your own knob? In the obj file of the knob just give each group the prefix "sweethome3d_opening_on_hinge_1_". Import the knob and add it to the door. Export/Import door+knob and you have your door with your own knob.

Good job with the dishwasher in the corner. Looks quite nice!
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Surprise, surprise! Updated DodecagonDoors library.

I have added the same 10 exterior doors but now with the American style doorknobs instead of the European handles. Like all my models the doorknobs are custom created, outside with a lock and inside without.
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