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Posted by Xiste at Sep 30, 2017, 1:59:39 AM
Plans for redecoration
Hello everyone.
This is my first post to the Gallery.
After years of gathering useful tips here at the forum, I think it’s time to show something.
I have made a selection of images that do not contain any elements from Trimble, as I understand that is not allowed.

I am a musical composer and sound designer from Oslo, Norway, working mainly with feature films, both Norwegian and foreign.
My studio is located at an old factory site, lying on the bank of the river Akerselva, the river that traditionally separates the east side
from the west side of the city.
When the production closed down in 1988, the factory buildings rapidly became popular with film-makers and media producers.
Old factories have high ceilings and ceiling height is of great value in the film industry.
In my studio the ceiling height is only 6,5 meters, but some of the other studios on the premises have up to 16 meters high ceilings.

The part of the factory where my studio is situated, is at the outskirts of the factory site, in the only building lying on
the west side of the river. I’m not sure what was produced here, but the factory initially produced steam engines and
turbines before it became a highly specialised heavy industry company, with a good reputation in the world market.
This is a quiet area of the city, with the river on one side, and a great park on the other.

Here is a somewhat idyllic rendering of the exterior, but it's not far from reality:


The plan is reconstructed from the original drawings that were made with X-Cad on an Amiga 3000 T in 2002, and the purpose
of this reconstruction is to pre-visualise different ways to redecorate and optimise the facilities.
So far this is my favourite plan, but I think there might still be room for some improvements.




Main entrance


The lounge, what meets the eye when you enter the studio.


The ground floor is 90 cm beneath ground level.


The Kitchen


The messanine


Entrance to the maintenance room and the mix stage


The maintenance room under the customer area of the mixing stage


The mix stage as seen from the front


The mix stage as seen from the rear


Seating



Stdudio seen from the parking lot.



I will present the rest of the production suite in a while.

X

Posted by Puybaret at Sep 30, 2017, 7:09:48 AM
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Very nice ! Thanks for sharing smile
From the production to viewing the results of your work, you seem to have everything at reach to produce the sound of great movies. The stairs with steps of different sizes catched my eyes and I wonder how practical it is or not...

By the way, it's not a problem to include Trimble 3D Warehouse stuff in the renderings you create, it's just that you shouldn't distribute the sh3d file that contains them because it would become some kind of redistribution of the original 3D models, something that Trimble doesn't allow. Hope you'll understand the difference!
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Emmanuel Puybaret, Sweet Home 3D creator

Posted by Ceciliabr at Sep 30, 2017, 2:39:11 PM
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@Xiste

Impressive! There are some very nice renderings here, and it all looks very professional.

And you had an Amiga 3000!
I inherited an Amiga 1000 from my older brother when I was ten. I loved that computer!

Look forward to seeing the rest of your studio.

Cec

Posted by bdfd at Oct 1, 2017, 11:58:33 AM
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@Xiste,

Tell us, what are the used parameters for your pictures ?
Size of pictures ?
Time of calculation ?
Size of sh3d file ?

smile
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SH3D 7.1 and nothing else - W11 64b in 4K

Posted by Xiste at Oct 1, 2017, 2:58:38 PM
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Puybaret,

I understand what you mean about the stairs. It is probably a mixture of optical distortion and an unfortunate unplanned resizing that has caused the stairs to appear with different step sizes. In reality, all steps are the same.
I'm actually a bit proud of the construction. There were those who told me the stairs would not hold for very long, but after 14 years, they are still tip-top.
Here is a picture ( a real photo), also showing why I need to redecorate and clean up the lounge.



By the way, it's not a problem to include Trimble 3D Warehouse stuff in the renderings you create, it's just that you shouldn't distribute the sh3d file that contains them because it would become some kind of redistribution of the original 3D models, something that Trimble doesn't allow. Hope you'll understand the difference!


Yes, I understand the difference.
So that means that one can extract a 3D model from a file created with the HTML5-creator?

A thing to keep in mind is that models you can find in the Trimble Warehouse do not necessarily belong to neither Trimble nor the uploader. They might in fact be stolen property. If you search for something on Trimble, you will frequently come across identical models that are uploaded by different persons, all appearing to be the rightful owner and creator.
Take this chair , that obviously belongs to Mr. Miller, and compare it with this chair that is published on the Trimble Warehouse. There's no difference. It is the same model. This is only one example.
Numerous object in the Trimble Warehouse are just stolen copies of 3D-models that are available for download on other websites. How can Trimble tell wether you downloaded the stolen model distributed by Trimble, or downloaded the legal original?

Trimble encourages manufacturers to view and distribute their 3D models in 3DWarehouse. The most obvious reason for a manufacturer to produce and distribute 3D models of their products, must be that architects, designers, interior decorators, etc. shall be able to use them; to modify and adapt these models and use them as they see fit.
Redistribution of these models will clearly be in the interest of the manufacturers.

I have linked here to the HTML5-model ( as a test)
The rack-mount rail I have downloaded from Trimble, which is shown in the opening picture, is most probably stolen from this site. I will of course replace them if Trimble asks me to. wink


viewHome.html

I trust you to delete this link if you find it to be violating the rules of the forum.

Xiste

Posted by Xiste at Oct 1, 2017, 3:21:57 PM
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Cec, Thank you!

I have actually used the terrain you so generously gave away, in order to create a more interesting view outside the windows.

I was actually a beta-tester for Commodore Norway from 1986, and I can reveal that the first digitally created Dolby Stereo soundtrack on a Norwegian feature film, (Changelings – Byttinger -1990) was done by me, using the Amiga as my only DAW.

X

Posted by Xiste at Oct 1, 2017, 4:06:15 PM
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bdfd.

Tell us, what are the used parameters for your pictures ?
Size of pictures ?
Time of calculation ?
Size of sh3d file ?


The parameters. If you mean the settings, they vary a lot. Normally I use the default settings for quality 4 ; Blackman-Harris and Bucket, but for some of the pictures I have used Gaussian instead of Blackman-Harris. I find it to be a bit smoother.
The antiAliasing setting is normally 1/2, but when i have reflective surfaces I increase it to 3/4.

The images are originally rendered 1440 pixels wide. The height varies. I have downscaled the images to 960 px width ( with one accidental exception).

The rendering time varies both with the settings and with the renderer. With the default renderer it takes between 5 - 10 minutes, but using the optional Simple Photo Renderer, it takes 15 -30 minutes. It might have something to do with the different way the bucket size is handled. The studio has a rendering farm with several Mac Pro 12-core computers connected with fiber-optical cables.
When I use the default renderer, the rendering window is entirely covered by small different colored buckets, but when using the optional renderer, the buckets are a lot bigger and fewer, and works slower. I found this out just by chance, and I have not done any real testing of this. I prefer using the default renderer for interiors, and use the optional renderer for exteriors , since the enhance sky brightness sampling generally gives better results.

The largest SH3D-file is 417,4 MB , including the exteriors.
The work-file for the interior only, is 217,.1 MB.

The file used for the HTML5 is 55.7 MB

Hope this answers your questions.

Xi

Posted by Ceciliabr at Oct 3, 2017, 11:38:45 AM
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@Xiste



Really a very nice way to present a complex construction. I suppose you used one-sided planes for the outer walls?

cec

Posted by VeroniQ at Oct 3, 2017, 4:09:23 PM
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I love this place, especially the idea of the large four square windows. It is very interesting, very esthetic.

Posted by Xiste at Oct 4, 2017, 12:53:11 PM
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Cec

I suppose you used one-sided planes for the outer walls?


Why didn't I think of that.
I used the box that comes SH3D, and made only the front visible. The one sided square is of course a much better alternative.

x

Posted by MartinSK at Oct 5, 2017, 2:52:58 AM
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Hi Xiste......superb renderings. I love that exterior. Veeeery nice...

Posted by Xiste at Oct 7, 2017, 4:02:06 PM
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Thank you Martinsk!
Your creations have been of great inspiration for me.

Xiste

Posted by enkonyito at Jan 9, 2018, 5:17:03 AM
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@Xiste
I missed your beautiful renderings and I like your mix stage.

The rendering time varies both with the settings and with the renderer. With the default renderer it takes between 5 - 10 minutes, but using the optional Simple Photo Renderer, it takes 15 -30 minutes. It might have something to do with the different way the bucket size is handled. The studio has a rendering farm with several Mac Pro 12-core computers connected with fiber-optical cables.
When I use the default renderer, the rendering window is entirely covered by small different colored buckets, but when using the optional renderer, the buckets are a lot bigger and fewer, and works slower. I found this out just by chance, and I have not done any real testing of this. I prefer using the default renderer for interiors, and use the optional renderer for exteriors , since the enhance sky brightness sampling generally gives better results.

The sunflow doc suggested that "A larger bucket size means more RAM usage and less time rendering".
So I chose a variable bucket size according to the width of the image.
(image width = 512 => bucket size = 32, image width = 1024 => bucket size = 64, etc.)

I did some tests again to compare the variable bucket size with the fixed bucket size and that confirms your observation.

With a fixed bucket size of 64, rendering is faster for the same settings.
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EnkoNyito

Posted by Xiste at Jan 9, 2018, 10:54:55 AM
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Hi Enko,
Thanks for your comment.

I used to have some skills in computers and programming back in the eighties, but as the languages have evolved and my interest have been more closely focused on sound and music production, I have now lost all touch when it comes to coding. But buckets I can still understand, so that is how my interest for the rendering time differences was caught.

The sunflow doc suggested that "A larger bucket size means more RAM usage and less time rendering".


Is this Sunflow doc an available document?

I have noticed a very annoying issue with both the default renderer and your renderer: They both shut down immediately and without warning if you hit “escape”. Is that something that can be fixed?


Xi

Posted by enkonyito at Jan 10, 2018, 4:08:15 AM
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Hi Xiste,

Is this Sunflow doc an available document?
Yes, here is the Sunflow Wiki PDF .

I have noticed a very annoying issue with both the default renderer and your renderer: They both shut down immediately and without warning if you hit “escape”. Is that something that can be fixed?
I never had the idea to press the escape key but it actually allows to close any open windows (Preferences, Modify 3D view, etc.) in Sweet Home 3D.
This is surely due to the way they are managed.

Enko
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EnkoNyito

Posted by Xiste at Jan 10, 2018, 11:19:56 PM
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I never had the idea to press the escape key

He he,

the thing is that when working with a multiple monitor setup, one might find oneself watching a video at youtube while waiting for the rendering to finish, and one might at times be tempted to watch a video in fullscreen modus. And to escape the fullscreen modus, one has to press ... Escape! And if the wrong screen is active, like f.i. the rendering screen; pressing escape will shut down the renderer.

Thanx a bunch for the link !

Xi

Posted by enkonyito at Jan 15, 2018, 10:11:33 PM
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And if the wrong screen is active, like f.i. the rendering screen; pressing escape will shut down the renderer.

I think this beta version provides a solution to the problem of accidental closing.
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EnkoNyito

Posted by Xiste at Jan 18, 2018, 8:36:07 AM
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@enkonyito

Great!

Posted by Xiste at Dec 26, 2019, 3:29:02 PM
Re: Plans for redecoration
I promised to show the rest of my studio, but I'm sorry to say I have not kept that promise. There's an unfortunate reason for that.
An uncertainty about the continuance of my lease has made me delay the redecoration. No use in spending a lot of money and effort if I have to move out.
The owner is hoping an application for a deregulation of the premises will pass, but no decision has been made yet.
If the deregulation is not passed, I can keep my present location.

Shortly before Christmas I was offered an alternative location. Bigger, but with a reduced ceiling height ( only 4 meters, whereas I have 6 meters today).
It was offered as an alternative, in case I have to move out.
It's a two story location. The floor plan of the first floor looks like this.


The second floor is of equal size, but with a different layout.
There's obviously a lot of planning and construction work to be done.
Hopefully I will get to keep my present location. The decision will be made sometime in February.

Xiste

Posted by Xiste at Jun 5, 2024, 8:31:32 PM
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Just testing...

Working late



Link to original size image

Let me also use this opportunity to say that our new studio is built, and that we eventually got all three floors.

This is from the top floor the early process of building a mix stage mix stage, before the windows were hidden behind an acoustically and non-reverberant designed wall.
In addition to minimize unwanted reverberation and keep the light out, it is also built with the intention to insulate us from the sounds of the outside world.
You can see on the left side that there are already three layer of insulation. When it's finished there will be anotherwal covering that insulation, and the another three layers
of insulation behind the final inner wall, which btw will be slightly slanted, to prevent sound waves from bouncing back and forth, which will happen between parallel surfaces.
So all the walls will in fact be slightly slanted.
With the inner walls in place, the room wil be 4m 90 wide and 10m 80 long. The height will be 3m 84 , which ideally is a bit low. In our last cinema the hight was 5m 96.



Link to original image

The reason for this testing is that I am about to publish a bigger presentation of how we built our new facility house, illustrated by a combination of renderings and real images,
and supply the reader with an easy way to view the original full size images.


Xiste