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Posted by bdfd at Jul 22, 2016, 11:48:01 AM
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It's martinsk who gives me the idea. smile

It is not finished yet but it's on track...
The most difficult was to make the ceiling (wood, gilt and tapestries).


Here is the first rendering view (from middle of room) of the gallery of Mirrors in Versailles castle (quality 3 on 4 with rendering 1.3.1)

If you have golden statues, I'll take them, thanks.
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Posted by MartinSK at Jul 22, 2016, 11:59:54 AM
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Brutal.....famous... I have problems with hairy carpets usually. Don't you? there's not problem with Mb but with polygons... Great rendering man. love struck

Posted by SnakeGB at Jul 22, 2016, 2:43:21 PM
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Very impressive looks great, must have taken you ages to do those ceilings

Posted by Puybaret at Jul 22, 2016, 2:54:03 PM
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Very impressive! smile
About the golden statues, I guess you mean the following ones:


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Posted by bdfd at Jul 22, 2016, 3:01:53 PM
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Thanks friends.

Yes Manu, I should like to get it. smile

The 'job' must go on...
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Posted by Puybaret at Jul 22, 2016, 7:00:20 PM
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Here are two models I found:

http://www.archive3d.net/?a=download&id=9c799b22
http://www.blendswap.com/blends/view/85015

The second one requires Blender to simplify its high vertices count (with Decimate modifier) and convert it to OBJ format. If you like it, just use the model attached to this message (available under CC-BY-NC).
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Attachment polyhyminia.zip (117329 bytes) (Download count: 136071) (Statue available at http://www.blendswap.com/blends/view/85015 converted to OBJ format)

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Posted by bdfd at Jul 22, 2016, 7:18:29 PM
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Thanks Manu. smile

I Had the first and great for the second ! applause
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Posted by VeroniQ at Jul 22, 2016, 9:12:45 PM
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Great and fun! I love it! Looking forward to watch the next drafts.

Posted by MartinSK at Jul 22, 2016, 9:24:07 PM
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Here are two models I found:

http://www.archive3d.net/?a=download&id=9c799b22
http://www.blendswap.com/blends/view/85015

The second one requires Blender to simplify its high vertices count (with Decimate modifier) and convert it to OBJ format. If you like it, just use the model attached to this message (available under CC-BY-NC).

Wow....thanks Emanuel and bdfd for your links. I started with 3D models and sh3D only this February ....so lot's of links and secrets of sh3d are very new for me.

Posted by bdfd at Jul 23, 2016, 1:11:34 PM
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Here the gallery phase II.
smile

Look at the reflections in the mirors (at left). smile
Same rendering that the previous.
A statue is missing on single pedestal, my research continues...
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Posted by VeroniQ at Jul 23, 2016, 5:29:24 PM
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Still fan applause
Looking forward to see in Q4 rendering.

Posted by bdfd at Jul 23, 2016, 6:12:00 PM
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Looking forward to see in Q4 rendering.
Thanks.
I think PC will calculate much of the night... sad as soon as scenery will finish. smile
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Posted by Miker777 at Jul 23, 2016, 7:47:19 PM
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I doff my cap to you bdfd, that it beautiful work :-bd ^:)^

Posted by bdfd at Jul 24, 2016, 7:43:51 PM
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Here Gallery phase III :


The "stars" shine on the floor too and give a defect to the picture.
Looking forward to see in Q4 rendering.

800 x 600 in Q4 without Rendering 1.3.1

=> Golden statues more like brass !?! sad I'll try something else...
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Posted by MartinSK at Jul 24, 2016, 8:48:54 PM
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Hi bdfd...don't use Q4 I think. You will ever have white spots there. Or if you use rendering 1.3.1 and you will use 'silk' or 'default' shines you will need very high antialiasing number not to have that white spots there.

Posted by bdfd at Jul 26, 2016, 7:40:34 PM
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if you use rendering 1.3.1 and you will use 'silk' or 'default' shines you will need very high antialiasing number not to have that white spots there.
Damned, Same thing ! crying

So I tryed another way : the floor is matte and not glossy.
After 5 hours of calculation (1024 x 768 in Q4 with R1.3.1, here Gallery phase IV.



The end is near... smile
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Posted by MartinSK at Jul 27, 2016, 12:19:49 AM
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Oh yes.. You can make it this way.... It's only about priorities... Good job.

Posted by VeroniQ at Jul 28, 2016, 8:49:22 PM
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Really great job! But may I suggest to decrease the lights. I think it is a little too bright...

Posted by bdfd at Jul 29, 2016, 11:54:42 AM
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If Versailles were told to me ...
Gallery Phase V with new high cornices, a ceiling centered
and finally new lampposts with cherubims (made by myself)...


1024x768 in Q4 (without R1.3.1)

Thanks, all lights are at 50%; I'll try to put them at 25% to compare. smile
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Posted by VeroniQ at Jul 29, 2016, 8:15:05 PM
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May I suggest, if it is not too late, to matte also the statues. Looking forward to see the result at 25%.
Lady Véro wink

Posted by bdfd at Jul 30, 2016, 9:39:30 AM
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Hi Lady,

Actually it was late. sad
The gold statues are very bright, view photo of Manu previously.

Here gallery phase VI and last (?)
The sun shines, light is more natural. smile



All lights are at 35%, Stardate : 06/21 - 10h00 am
1024x768 in Q4 without R1.3.1

I could compare because I'll be there late August.
smile
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Posted by MartinSK at Jul 30, 2016, 11:20:08 AM
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This one looks absolutely the best! Congratulation bdfd. Great.

Posted by VeroniQ at Jul 30, 2016, 8:49:26 PM
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I agree with Martin. Congratulation!

Posted by bdfd at Jul 31, 2016, 3:29:09 PM
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Thanks friends.

View from the other side.



No it is not the same once returned, look at the reflection in the left window... smile
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Posted by Miker777 at Jul 31, 2016, 7:12:12 PM
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Absolutely amazing! biggrin

Posted by bdfd at Aug 1, 2016, 7:48:28 AM
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Thanks.

I didn't see the reflection in the reflection in the Mirror at right... smile

What power this app !
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Posted by Ceciliabr at Aug 4, 2016, 2:44:33 PM
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Bonjour,

I was going to comment on this thread some time ago, but then I decided to wait for your next renderings. And then I forgot.
This is incredibly beautiful, and stands out as one of the most creative projects I have seen on this forum. That was the first thing I wanted to say.
And then I had some comments about the lighting, like that the chandeliers were losing their form and texture from the strong light.
The later renderings were definitely improvements, but I think there's still some work to be done, unless you have gotten tired of the project.
I was thinking; what happens if you reduce the lights inside the chandeliers almost to a minimum, and then light them up by spreading some low intensity incandescent lights in a circle around them? Maybe only two is enough? Sure it will take some time to render, but you could always use the option to render multiple shots, and then render over night, like I do with most of my renderings. And rendering over night has the added value of producing an extra incentive to get out of bed :=)

And then I was thinking; since, after all, you have invested so much creativity in making this gallery, why not render out some details? We all know the geography of the gallery by now, so maybe some closer shots of the variety of statues and their ornaments, the benches, the niche... and maybe try shooting from some interesting angles.

Just an idea.


Cec

Posted by mazoola at Aug 5, 2016, 12:59:26 AM
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Amazing work -- both inspiration and intimidation. wink

How are you managing the lights? Every time I think I have the 'white spot' (or, as I like to call it, 'ich') problem licked, I run into another complication. As best I can tell, it's caused by some infelicity in how SunFlow handles anti-aliasing. (I was trying to track it down, but I found myself waylaid by a search for the optimum process for moving Sketchup models into SH3D. I *think* that's largely over, now, and as soon as I finish writing it up, I plan to return my attention to curing ich.)

Here are a couple of things I've found that can reduce or eliminate them:

1. Increase the maximum anti-aliasing to 3, 4, or -- if you have time and cores enough -- 5.
1b. Alternatively, you might try increasing the minimum anti-aliasing to 2 or 3.

2. Increase the diameter of your light sources. I have to admit, this surprised me, as I've been using small (1/4") lights in custom ceiling-mounted fixtures to illuminate my home plans, seemingly with little trouble. The first time I tried to render this image, though, using those same fixture models, I was plagued by a sprinkling of spots.

I increased maximum anti-aliasing to 4 (or was it 5?) and re-rendered the image; that got rid of almost all of the ich, but it took nearly 9-1/2 hours to render, and it it rendered with a glitch. (Occasionally, my finished render will contain one of the SH3D 'bucket' icons -- the ones that track rendering progress, one per thread -- instead of a bucket-sized chunk of image. As this increasingly happens the longer the render, I suspect it's caused by another application popping up on the execution stack, and SH3D not necessarily recovering correctly.) Even worse, I didn't notice the problem until *after* I'd sent the image to my client.

I'm not quite sure why it occurred to me to try to increase the diameter of my light sources, but I did. I deselected all of the fixtures and positioned 1-? 2?-foot lights at the same x/y but a slightly lower Z. Returning anti-aliasing to 1/2, I rendered it a third time -- and in a fraction of the time, 14 min vs 9.5 hours.

I didn't change the number of light sources or the relative strengths: a 1/4-inch or point source at 20% became a 24-inch source at 20%. Everything else was the same -- except for the missing ich.

Cecilia's ideas are worth trying, too. It's a shame to lose so much depth and realism by having to matt objects; maybe with a little experimentation you can find a spot-free gloss!

Maz

Posted by bdfd at Aug 5, 2016, 9:59:58 AM
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Thanks friends. smile

There are good ideas to improve everything...

1. Increase the maximum anti-aliasing to 3, 4,
Yes, it was 4.
the minimum anti-aliasing to 2 or 3.
Yes, it was 2.



I try to get to this picture to stick to reality and my memories (without central objects).

I'll test again nextly...
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Posted by MartinSK at Aug 5, 2016, 10:50:01 AM
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Yes yes yes yes....super...
What was the time of rendering with anti-aliasing 2/4 ?

Posted by bdfd at Aug 5, 2016, 2:43:56 PM
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1. Increase the maximum anti-aliasing to 3, 4,
Yes, it was 4.
the minimum anti-aliasing to 2 or 3.
Yes, it was 2.
FALSE ! sad

Sorry, I confused with another project.
It was max = 3 and min = 1

time calculated = 13h 15mn (estimation, I'll update nextly)

I'll try with max =4 and min = 2.

@Martin, becareful the last picture is real (it's not generated with sh3d).
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Posted by MartinSK at Aug 5, 2016, 2:56:04 PM
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Naaaaaaahaha.... I left one word... "I try to get TO this picture....." laughing laughing laughing love struck
I thought you are GOD.....







You are... I know...

Posted by bdfd at Aug 5, 2016, 3:29:40 PM
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Naaaaaaahaha.... I left one word... "I try to get TO this picture....." laughing laughing laughing love struck
I thought you are GOD.....
Almost ! laughing

You are... I know...
Question for a champion ! biggrin
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Posted by MartinSK at Aug 5, 2016, 3:38:13 PM
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.....answer of a champion.... cool

Posted by bdfd at Aug 5, 2016, 11:11:58 PM
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time calculated = 13h 15mn (estimation, I'll update nextly)
=> Official time : 8h 29mn.
smile
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Posted by AeowynFraser at Aug 5, 2016, 11:38:34 PM
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Awesome work, especially of something so ornate and iconic as Versailles. smile
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Posted by bdfd at Aug 9, 2016, 8:02:40 AM
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Thanks Aeowyn. smile

Following the advice of ceciliabr, I offer a closer view of the inner wall of the gallery of mirrors.

1024 x 768 in Q4,
Rendering min = 2,
Rendering max = 4 with R1.3.1



Calculation time: 12h 18mn (did that night). biggrin

Look at the first Mirror, I see 3 or 4 reflections...
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Posted by mazoola at Aug 9, 2016, 11:34:10 AM
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Damn, but that's great!

Posted by Ceciliabr at Aug 13, 2016, 7:19:24 PM
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@ bdfd

Whoa!
The night is our friend. wink

Since I'm mostly making my own models (as far I'm capable), I'm frequently experiencing texture problems. Texturing models, in my experience, have turned out to be a p.i.t.a.
I see that most of your models are perfectly textured, and I'm ( of course) interested in knowing a: if these are your own models, and b: if they are; how you manage the perfect texturing.
The curved roof, the tables, some vases, the statues... they are all perfectly textured.
I'm deeply envious.


cec


ps,
I wouldn't mind seen more details...

Posted by bdfd at Aug 14, 2016, 9:21:06 AM
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Thank you friends for all these compliments.

@ceciliabr
In fact there are 50% of mine (golden statues, curved roof, columns, friezes).
When I finalize a scenery, I share average quality for a quick overview.
If I see a problem in texture, I put the object in matt, I update texture and I raise a quick overview...

For the high ceiling, I took the principle of onion.
a first layer to the ceiling,
a second to the gilding,
a third for the tapestries.

Another night of hard work for the PC of course. laughing


View of the ceiling with gilded friezes (1024x768 in Q4 with R1.3.1 high : min=2 & max=4)

Calculation time : 10h24mn

Next challenge, I think the royal chapel of the same castle...
If I find time.

real picture

Oh my god, not easy...
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Posted by bdfd at Aug 19, 2016, 8:02:41 AM
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The gardens seen from Gallery of mirrors.



1024x768 in Q4 without R1.3.1
Calculated time : :h 15 mn
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Posted by MartinSK at Aug 19, 2016, 2:31:43 PM
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Delicious......but...time for gardening maybe...happy to see
But I am afraid it will be hard fight with software too....the same like me

Posted by bdfd at Aug 19, 2016, 5:59:09 PM
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No Martin, I was waiting for you as gardener... laughing

Gardening is not my strong point.
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Posted by bdfd at Aug 20, 2016, 7:47:42 AM
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Perspective of a fly. laughing



800x768 in Q4 without R1.3.1
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Posted by bdfd at Aug 26, 2016, 8:35:41 PM
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Tomorrow, towards Versailles.

I'll take my camera. smile
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Posted by MartinSK at Aug 26, 2016, 8:42:48 PM
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God.
The fly perspective is new for me.
Super.

Posted by bdfd at Aug 28, 2016, 9:16:50 AM
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Yesterday it was Versailles. smile

Nice day, warm day. cool
Fortunately there were bassins for a little freshness. smile



I prefer sh3d pictures than this (too people).

I took this photo with a Nikon D5500 18-55mm.
Photo weighs 13.8 MB in 4000x6000 pixels.
I reduced to 500x750 for the forum ...

But what a busy day with lots of km by car and on foot... smile
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Posted by MartinSK at Aug 28, 2016, 9:31:59 AM
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so..
If I compare this photo to your sh3d pictures it looks that if you calm down golden shines for a very little and reduce field of view for a little it will be really the same.
Very good job bdfd. love struck

Posted by Ceciliabr at Aug 30, 2016, 5:39:10 PM
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Wow!
Watching the original, it becomes even more evident what a magnificent job you have done. Very nice to get the different perspectives and the details. This project deserves to be shown and seen.

cec

Posted by bdfd at Aug 31, 2016, 10:16:00 AM
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Thank you very much friends. smile

Some things can be better, my visite on place has been good...
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